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aruanI'm doing a project for a university class regarding canon-based speculation about the Harry Potter books, whether the source is Web authors or LJers or fiction writers. It's a very anything goes free-for-all of the best and weirdest fandom's come up with. I'm looking for any special/eclectic resources and also have a few canon-based questions, as it's admittedly been a few months since I re-read the books.
- Any sites devoted to theories - conspiracy, speculation, or otherwise - relating to canon as set forth within the books. Everyone knows about Knight2King, but I'm sure there are heaps more out there. It doesn't matter how outlandish the proposition, I'd just love some off-the-beaten-path sources.
- Any sites that take an in-depth look at the books for whatever purpose, whether character development, hints for possible future events, to check facts (i.e. the population of Hogwarts, the ages of the Weasley siblings) etc.
- Any sites with archived interviews with J.K. Rowling, as I'm willing to consider what she says about the books and events as good as the words within them.
Canon Questions:
- I seem to be operating under the impression that Snape resents Dumbledore. Is this canon or simply something I pulled out of the clear blue (or perhaps fic, as we all know those lines sometimes blur)? If so, have we been given any sort of justification for it? (Or is it just the same as James, that he resents owing his life to someone other than himself?)
- And speaking of Snape, do we have any canon for why Dumbledore hasn't appointed him to his coveted Defense post? Has Snape applied for it every year he's been at Hogwarts? In my head, it shouldn't be any issue of trust, as Snape would be above any sort of suspicion as far as loyalties to be working at Hogwarts, no? (thanks![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
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- Do we know if the Order of the Phoenix is a rogue vigilante group (essentially) or if they were sanctioned by the Ministry?
- Do we have any instances of Dumbledore lying to anyone, or does he simply leave questions unanswered or only partially reveal the truth (as he deems revelant with regard to whom he's speaking and the situation, of course)?
- Did Sirius not get a trial? All signs point to yes, but he had to have been convicted of a crime to be sent to prison for it (or am I just being too technical)? And for that matter, was killing Peter the only reason he was locked up? In the Shack, he says he wants to commit the murder he was locked away for, which seems to disregard the twelve Muggles who died. (thanksmeinnim)
- In CoS, Hagrid was briefly sent to Azkaban. Was it under suspicion of harboring whatever was attacking the students? Or because the Ministry again suspected he was the one to open the Chamber, as he was accused and expelled for early in his Hogwarts career as a student?
Resources I've gathered so far...
MuggleNet
Willow's Harry Potter Character Guides
The Harry Potter Automatic News Aggregator
The Leaky Cauldron
The Hogwarts Galleries
The Harry Potter Lexicon
J.K. Rowling.com
Hogwarts World
The Daily Snitch
I'm fairly new to HP fandom and don't have very many people of that persuasion on my f'list, so any crossposting and/or links back here would be much appreciated, as, of course, is any advice and suggestions of anything mentioned here or that you think I may have missed. Sources used will be appropriately credited, as well as any contributors, should they wish to be. Thanks in advance!
- Any sites devoted to theories - conspiracy, speculation, or otherwise - relating to canon as set forth within the books. Everyone knows about Knight2King, but I'm sure there are heaps more out there. It doesn't matter how outlandish the proposition, I'd just love some off-the-beaten-path sources.
- Any sites that take an in-depth look at the books for whatever purpose, whether character development, hints for possible future events, to check facts (i.e. the population of Hogwarts, the ages of the Weasley siblings) etc.
- Any sites with archived interviews with J.K. Rowling, as I'm willing to consider what she says about the books and events as good as the words within them.
Canon Questions:
- I seem to be operating under the impression that Snape resents Dumbledore. Is this canon or simply something I pulled out of the clear blue (or perhaps fic, as we all know those lines sometimes blur)? If so, have we been given any sort of justification for it? (Or is it just the same as James, that he resents owing his life to someone other than himself?)
- And speaking of Snape, do we have any canon for why Dumbledore hasn't appointed him to his coveted Defense post? Has Snape applied for it every year he's been at Hogwarts? In my head, it shouldn't be any issue of trust, as Snape would be above any sort of suspicion as far as loyalties to be working at Hogwarts, no? (thanks
amberdiceless)- Do we know if the Order of the Phoenix is a rogue vigilante group (essentially) or if they were sanctioned by the Ministry?
- Do we have any instances of Dumbledore lying to anyone, or does he simply leave questions unanswered or only partially reveal the truth (as he deems revelant with regard to whom he's speaking and the situation, of course)?
- Did Sirius not get a trial? All signs point to yes, but he had to have been convicted of a crime to be sent to prison for it (or am I just being too technical)? And for that matter, was killing Peter the only reason he was locked up? In the Shack, he says he wants to commit the murder he was locked away for, which seems to disregard the twelve Muggles who died. (thanks
meinnim)- In CoS, Hagrid was briefly sent to Azkaban. Was it under suspicion of harboring whatever was attacking the students? Or because the Ministry again suspected he was the one to open the Chamber, as he was accused and expelled for early in his Hogwarts career as a student?
Resources I've gathered so far...
MuggleNet
Willow's Harry Potter Character Guides
The Harry Potter Automatic News Aggregator
The Leaky Cauldron
The Hogwarts Galleries
The Harry Potter Lexicon
J.K. Rowling.com
Hogwarts World
The Daily Snitch
I'm fairly new to HP fandom and don't have very many people of that persuasion on my f'list, so any crossposting and/or links back here would be much appreciated, as, of course, is any advice and suggestions of anything mentioned here or that you think I may have missed. Sources used will be appropriately credited, as well as any contributors, should they wish to be. Thanks in advance!
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Date: December 1st, 2004 12:01 am (UTC)I think that's fanon. Snape might resent Dumbledore for not appointing him as DotDA teacher and for abetting Sirius, but as a whole, he doesn't resent Dumbledore. In fact, I think he respects Dumbledore, just like everyone else.
- Did Sirius not get a trial?
I'm not too sure, but I think he did get a trial; he just didn't protest to any of the charges (and he was charged for all murder, not just that of Peter).
Was it under suspicion of harboring whatever was attacking the students? Or because the Ministry again suspected he was the one to open the Chamber, as he was accused and expelled for early in his Hogwarts career as a student?
I think it was the latter.
Mugglenet is my main source of HP news so can't help you there.
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Date: December 1st, 2004 12:13 am (UTC)And speaking of not appointing Snape to the Defense post, do we have any canon for why? Snape should be above any sort of suspicion as far as loyalties to be working at Hogwarts, no?
Why would Sirius not protest? He's an innocent man, and even if he did feel guilty, he said the only thing that kept him sane in Azkaban was knowing he was innocent. Why bother to keep his wits about him when he means to set things right if he gets the chance?
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Date: December 1st, 2004 02:20 am (UTC)The Reference section of Hogwarts Library (http://www.hogwarts-library.net/) has a lot of sources you may be able to use.
There's also the
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Date: December 1st, 2004 02:41 am (UTC)no subject
Date: December 1st, 2004 02:44 am (UTC)Sirius never got a trial.
In GoF, Chapter 27, Sirius says:
"Oh, I know Crouch all right," he said quietly. "He was the one who gave the order for me to be sent to Azkaban - without a trial."
"Crouch's principles might've been good in the beginning - I wouldn't know. He rose quickly through the Ministry, and he started ordering very harsh measures against Voldemort's supporters. The Aurors were given new powers - powers to kill rather than capture, for instance. And I wasn't the only one who was handed straight to the dementors without trial. Crouch fought violence with violence, and authorized the use of the Unforgivable Curses against suspects. I would say he became as ruthless and cruel as many on the Dark Side. He had his supporters, mind you - plenty of people thought he was going about things the right way, and there were a lot of witches and wizards clamoring for him to take over as Minister of Magic."
Then Sirius goes on to explain how Crouch's son was caught with Death Eaters and that derailed Crouch's bid for the Minister of Magic position.
And for that matter, was killing Peter the only reason he was locked up? In the Shack, he says he wants to commit the murder he was locked away for, which seems to disregard the twelve Muggles who died.
Sirius may have focused on that one "murder"; however, there's a paragraph in GoF, Chapter 2 where Harry mentions/infers that Sirius was convicted for multiple murders.
"There was a simple reason for Sirius's complete absence from Harry's life until then - Sirius had been in Azkaban, the terrifying wizard jail guarded by creatures called dementors, sightless, soul-sucking fiends who had come to search for Sirius at Hogwarts when he had escaped. Yet Sirius had been innocent - the murders for which he had been convicted had been committed by Wormtail, Voldemort's supporter, whom nearly everybody now believed dead."
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Date: December 1st, 2004 02:56 am (UTC)http://www.redhen-publications.com/Potterverse.html
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Date: December 1st, 2004 03:03 am (UTC)Ooh, and now I want to go back and reread the end of OotP to see if any of the Order members used Unforgivable curses. Also, do we know if the Order is a rogue vigilante group or if they were sanctioned by the Ministry?
*snogs you silly* Thank you so much.
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Date: December 1st, 2004 03:09 am (UTC)And speaking of Snape, do we have any canon for why Dumbledore hasn't appointed him to his coveted Defense post? Has Snape applied for it every year he's been at Hogwarts? In my head, it shouldn't be any issue of trust, as Snape would be above any sort of suspicion as far as loyalties to be working at Hogwarts, no?
No, there's no canon. In fact, I know people who believe that he doesn't really want the job, and students have misinterpreted his general dislike for those who have held the post in past years as resentment.
Personally, I think it's not so much an issue of trust as of temptation. It's like leaving a recovered alcoholic alone in a wine cellar; while he might be strong enough to resist, why provide the opportunity if it's avoidable?
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Date: December 1st, 2004 03:13 am (UTC)no subject
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Date: December 1st, 2004 03:31 am (UTC)My one crime in attempting to put this project together is my knee-jerk tendency to doubt every move of Dumbledore's as having a not-so-kosher ulterior motive. Thank you for your comments.
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Date: December 1st, 2004 03:38 am (UTC)no subject
Date: December 1st, 2004 03:55 am (UTC)no subject
Date: December 1st, 2004 03:59 am (UTC)- And speaking of Snape, do we have any canon for why Dumbledore hasn't appointed him to his coveted Defense post? Has Snape applied for it every year he's been at Hogwarts? In my head, it shouldn't be any issue of trust, as Snape would be above any sort of suspicion as far as loyalties to be working at Hogwarts, no?
I don't think there's a canon explanation, but I do believe JKR was asked that question in an interview, and said something to the effect that DD is afraid teaching DADA would bring out the worst in Snape (I apologize, I can't tell you which interview it was.) However, it is definitely canon that he wants the job--he confirmed to Umbridge in OotP that he's applied for it every year since he started teaching.
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Date: December 1st, 2004 04:15 am (UTC)And I just skimmed Snape's, err, conversation I suppose is the word, with Umbridge the other day to find out if he says how long he's been working at Hogwarts! Which, as it should, corresponds with the end of the first war. Thanks for that. I'd figured he has been applying since he arrived, but as with everything else, citing scripture is necessary. Keeping the facts straight from assumptions and speculation in this universe is no easy task.
Thanks for the heads-up about the interview - someone linked an archive of J.K. Rowling interviews, which I'll go through tonight.
Hm. Fascinating. Do we have any instances of Dumbledore lying to anyone, or simply leaving questions unanswered or only partially revealing the truth (as he deems revelant with regard to whom he's speaking and the situation, of course)? Because I briefly discussed Snape's desire for the post with a commenter above, and I don't hold with Dumbledore's reasoning. Why keep Snape on at Hogwarts at all if there's any doubt to his loyalty and integrity? I understand not placing him deliberately into the arms of temptation, but it's not like he doesn't have access to the Restricted Section of the library, etc.
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Date: December 1st, 2004 04:27 am (UTC)LOL! I don't think loyalty and integrity are necessarily the issue. But...well, let me just cut and paste an old drabble of mine to show you my own take on that topic. :)
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Why Snape Doesn't Teach DADA
"Silence, everyone, if you please. Now. Pay close attention. Boggarts can be dangerous creatures if not properly handled." So saying, Snape went on to explain--in the most solemn manner imaginable--that one fought a Boggart by thinking of something that rendered it amusing, and shouting, "Riddikulus!"
He then proceeded to demonstrate by loosing the Boggart from the wardrobe. Luckily, none of his students had ever seen a young, clean-shaven Sirius Black.
"Riddikulus!"
Black now dangled from a gallows, tongue protruding grotesquely, eyes bulging out of his head.
"Very well, now you dunderheads give it a try. Longbottom, you first."
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...And if that isn't bad enough, picture the mayhem that would ensue next, when Snape tries to teach Neville how to fight off his boggart!
[Oh, and if you're looking for a Snape icon, I've got a bunch of them up for grabs here: http://www.geocities.com/lady_brinna/fanfiction/Icons.html ]
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Date: December 1st, 2004 04:32 am (UTC)Also, do we know if the Order is a rogue vigilante group or if they were sanctioned by the Ministry?
The Order isn't sanctioned by the Ministry.
In Chapter 36 in GoF [The Parting of the Ways], Dumbledore declares a break with the Ministry since Fudge refuses to believe Voldemort is back and doesn't want to take any action.
"If your determination to shut your eyes will carry you as far as this, Cornelius," said Dumbledore, "we have reached a parting of the ways. You must act as you see fit. And I - I shall act as I see fit."
Dumbledore's voice carried no hint of a threat; it sounded like a mere statement, but Fudge bristled as though Dumbledore were advancing upon him with a wand.
"Now, see here, Dumbledore," he said, waving a threatening finger. "I've given you free rein, always. I've had a lot of respect for you. I might not have agreed with some of your decisions, but I've kept quiet. There aren't many who'd have let you hire werewolves, or keep Hagrid, or decide what to teach your students without reference to the Ministry. But if you're going to work against me -"
"The only one against whom I intend to work," said Dumbledore, "is Lord Voldemort. If you are against him, then we remain, Cornelius, on the same side."
That parting of the ways leads Dumbledore to take action on his own. He makes a reference to the Order, although he doesn't call it that openly.
"That will do to be going on with," said Dumbledore, stepping between them once more. "Now I have work for each of you. Fudge's attitude, though not unexpected, changes everything. Sirius, I need you to set off at once. You are to alert Remus Lupin, Arabella Figg, Mundungus Fletcher - the old crowd. Lie low at Lupin's for a while; I will contact you there."
In OotP, chapter 4, Hermione explains to Harry that "It's a secret society." and "Dumbledore's in charge, he founded it. It's the people who fought against You-Know-Who last time."
In the same chapter, Fred says, "Dembledore's name's mud with the Ministry these days, see." [I doubt they sanctioned the Order, especially with the break from the Ministry and Dumbledore's role as the head of the Order.]
I've got more to add on Sirius not having a trial [and no one demanding a trial for him] and the Order members possibly using Unforgivable curses but I've got to do some research on it first. :)
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Date: December 1st, 2004 04:46 am (UTC)That I haven't seen a Lupin icon with the harsh mistress quote yet is remarkable. The last row of him along the bottom are all really well-captioned. But then, take that as you will, because I am nothing if not easy for Remus. Also, the face Snape is making in the one picture with McGonagall? Priceless. Almost as good as the one of the outtake in the Great Hall where he's smiling hugely and laughing next to Dumbledore. Yeah, okay, easy for Alan Rickman too, yes, guilty guilty guilty.
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Date: December 1st, 2004 04:53 am (UTC)no subject
Date: December 1st, 2004 05:05 am (UTC)Hm. What to teach your students without reference to the Ministry. And yet with the streak of incompetent Defense teachers (again, Lupin notwithstanding). What's up with that? I'd figured it was part of the Ministry's denial campaign in dealing with what they insist is the non-threat of Voldemort. And really, come now, if anyone, Dumbledore should be able to sense bad mojo, so what was with hiring the twitchy freak with Voldemort growing out of the back of his head in Harry's first year, eh? Or are we still holding with his hiring incompetent teachers to make Voldemort believe he doesn't view him as a threat? Or whatever that reasoning was, for which I don't of course remember the source.
Thanks so much again for doing my work for me. I'll have to check my volumes and write down page numbers, but you rock so righteously for going to all the trouble. I appreciate it immensely.
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Date: December 1st, 2004 05:26 am (UTC)Sirius! If anyone should've gotten a trial, it should be the traitor to the cause. It's like the Ministry ran their own version of justice.
Exactly. Sirius explains in GoF, chapter 27, about the possible reason behind not having trials.
"Imagine that Voldemort's powerful now. You don't know who his supporters are, you don't know who's working for him and who isn't; you know he can control people so that they do terrible things without being able to stop themselves. You're scared for yourself, and your family, and your friends. Every week, news comes of more deaths, more disappearances, more torturing ... the Ministry of Magic's in disarray, they don't know what to do, they're trying to keep everything hidden from the Muggles, but meanwhile, Muggles are dying too. Terror everywhere ... panic ... confusion ... that's how it used to be."
Crouch's tactics -- sending people off to Azkaban without trials, letting his people use Unforgivables -- didn't seem to matter to the wizarding world in general because things were chaotic and people were scared. They wanted someone to take charge, protect them and dole out the necessary punishment [justice]. Crouch did all that, roughshod tactics notwithstanding.
No one, not even Dumbledore, asked for a trial for Sirius -- it's inferred in PoA that Dumbledore thought Sirius was a traitor and guilty of the murders. Not only that, it seemed like his statement helped send Sirius to Azkaban. Of course, it was based on a false assumption. But Dumbledore wasn't the only one who made the same false assumption.
Chapter 10 - "So Black was the Potters' Secret-Keeper?" whispered Madam Rosmerta.
"Naturally," said Professor McGonagall. "James Potter told Dumbledore that Black would die rather than tell where they were, that Black was planning to go into hiding himself ... and yet, Dumbledore remained worried. I remember him offering to be the Potters' Secret-Keeper
himself."
"He suspected Black?" gasped Madam Rosmerta.
"He was sure that somebody close to the Potters had been keeping You-Know-Who informed of their movements," said Professor McGonagall darkly. "Indeed, he had suspected for some time that someone on our side had turned traitor and was passing a lot of information to You-Know-Who."
and
Chapter 21 - "A street full of eyewitnesses swore they saw Sirius murder Pettigrew. I myself gave evidence to the Ministry that Sirius had been the Potters' Secret-Keeper."
Dumbledore does try to make up for it by giving Harry and Hermione an idea on how to save Sirius after he finds out Sirius is innocent.
I couldn't any find any references to Order members using Unforgivable curses in OotP.
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Date: December 1st, 2004 05:48 am (UTC)I don't think there's any in canon. I think perhaps Snape is simply too good a Potions Master to lose, and if given the job would neglect potions altogether. Or perhaps the students need to be able to trust their DADA teacher, which Snape can't really do except in terms of ability. (though that doesn't seem right, what with some of their previous DADA teachers) Maybe, as I saw in a fic once, students need different teachers to give them different styles of defence to use, and Snape would be permanent.
- Do we know if the Order of the Phoenix is a rogue vigilante group (essentially) or if they were sanctioned by the Ministry?
I think it's the former. The Ministry, being so bureaucratic, would probably check up on all the sanctioned groups, and if the Order reported it correctly, one of their activities is to keep Sirius Black safe (Kingsley faking the search the whole time). And their headquarters is at Grimmauld Place, under a Fidelius charm to boot, which would surely be suspicious. Not to mention that the Minister is in denial over Voldemort's return, which the Order proclaims and is trying to fight. Besides, they don't need to be sanctioned, the Ministry is too ineffective to stop their 'illegal' activities anyway.
- Did Sirius not get a trial? All signs point to yes, but he had to have been convicted of a crime to be sent to prison for it (or am I just being too technical)? And for that matter, was killing Peter the only reason he was locked up? In the Shack, he says he wants to commit the murder he was locked away for, which seems to disregard the twelve Muggles who died. (thanks meinnim)
"Oh I know Crouch all right," (Sirius) said quietly. "He was the one who gave the order for me to be sent to Azkaban - without a trial." - GoF. Crouch was pretty high up then, and probably had the power to do so.
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Date: December 1st, 2004 06:11 am (UTC)I'm one of those who believe that Dumbledore didn't appoint Snape as DotDA teacher because he is better suited as a Potion teacher. Lupin mention something about him being more capable - the only one capable - of making the potion to help him in his transforming phase. He's the one who made the truth potion during GoF and Dumbledore remarked something about that,I think, but I only vaguely remember that.
I don't quite understand Snape's preoccupation with Dark Arts or his capabilities where Dark Arts are concerned despite his being part of Voldemort's cronies. There's a different between practicing some Dark Arts and being knowledgeable of all Dark Arts. But like someone said, JK Rowling said that the answer to question will be in future books.
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Date: December 1st, 2004 12:12 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: December 1st, 2004 12:29 pm (UTC)I've gotten the idea that DD, being a Legilmens, would have been able to see early-on that Snape was a natural-born Occulmens and, knowing that a spy inside Voldemort's ranks would be incredibly useful, not only trained Snape in Occulmency but later allowed an angry Snape to be entrapped by Voldemort (after priming the pump by not expelling Sirius for attempting to kill Snape by using the werewolf). DD had to hope that Snape would return to him, but then again I'm sure that DD planted those seeds of trust in Snape's mind long before.
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Date: December 1st, 2004 05:03 pm (UTC)JL: Prof Snape has always wanted to be the defence against the dark arts
teacher. In book 5 he still doesn't get the job Why does Professor
Dumbledore not allow him to be the defence against the dark arts teacher?
SF: There
JKR: *sighs* That is an excellent question and the reason is that, I have to
be careful what I say here, the reason is that to answer it fully would give
and awful lot away about the remaining two books but when Professor
Dumbledore took Professor Snape on to the staff and Professor Snape said I'd
like to teach defence against the darks arts please and Professor Dumbledore
felt that that might bring out the worst in Professor Snape
*laughs* Somewhat
JKR: So he said I think we'll let you teach potions and see how you get
along there
It's not a question of trust, but more a question of self-controle, and patience.
Like someone said above, Snape would never be able to teach the Riddikulus to Neville.
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Date: December 1st, 2004 05:25 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: December 1st, 2004 05:28 pm (UTC)- And speaking of Snape, do we have any canon for why Dumbledore hasn't appointed him to his coveted Defense post? Has Snape applied for it every year he's been at Hogwarts? In my head, it shouldn't be any issue of trust, as Snape would be above any sort of suspicion as far as loyalties to be working at Hogwarts, no?
I hate doing this without textual backup, but I can't find this on the Leaky Cauldron's Quick Quotes site. However, I distinctly remember JKR saying that Dumbledore thinks the DADA position might bring out Snape's worst side. I think she may possibly have said this at the Royal Albert Hall gig last year, where she read from OoTP and took questions from the audience, who were all children.
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Date: December 1st, 2004 05:37 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: December 2nd, 2004 01:25 am (UTC)I don't think it's ever stated that he resents Dumbledore. I think from his behaviour/reactions, he may resent things Dumbledore does/asks him to do, but I don't think he resents the man himself. Since Snape isn't a character who shows what he's feeling to those around him (at least, not that Harry - our narrative POV - can discern), I hesitate to say he's grateful or considers himself indebted to Dumbledore, but no matter his demeanor, he remains loyal to Dumbledore and his (Dumbledore's) cause, so I can't see him (Snape) resenting him (Dumbledore - stupid pronouns! *g*)
- Do we have any instances of Dumbledore lying to anyone, or does he simply leave questions unanswered or only partially reveal the truth (as he deems revelant with regard to whom he's speaking and the situation, of course)?
He lies to Harry by not telling him about the Prophecy until the end of the third book. That may be considered a lie of omission, but I seem to recall at least one instance where he denies having any idea what Voldemort's intentions are (in regards to the Department of Mysteries) in book five, and possibly even in the earlier books when Harry asks him why Voldemort is even after him/cares about him so much in the first place.
I'm pretty bad at picking out exact excerpts, but if no one else can find'em, please let me know and I'll certainly give it a try. :)
- In CoS, Hagrid was briefly sent to Azkaban. Was it under suspicion of harboring whatever was attacking the students? Or because the Ministry again suspected he was the one to open the Chamber, as he was accused and expelled for early in his Hogwarts career as a student?
I would think that both of those options would apply. I mean, whatever was attacking the students was presumably from the Chamber, and so since he was (wrongfully) expelled for opening it the first time...
Of course, I'm dead certain there's a reference for this... and here! I actually found it! Page 193:
"Bad business, Hagrid," said Fudge, in rather clipped tones. "Very bad business. Had to come. Four attacks on Muggle-borns. Things've gone far enough. Ministry's got to act."
"I never," said Hagrid, looking imploringly at Dumbledore, "you know I never, Professor Dumbledore, sir..."
"I want it understood, Cornelius, that Hagrid has my full confidence," said Dumbledore, frowning at Fudge.
"Look, Albus," said Fudge, uncomfortably. "Hagrid's record's against him. Ministry's got to do something - the school governors have been in touch."
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Date: December 2nd, 2004 01:27 am (UTC)no subject
Date: December 2nd, 2004 02:41 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: December 6th, 2004 06:19 pm (UTC)Well, it was said he knew loads of hexes and Dark Magic by the time he came to Hogwarts - though right just now, of course, I'm second-guessing myself as we speak. And while you're absolutely right, there's a very real distinction between an interest (as Snape may be well aware of needing to know such things for basic survival, growing up in the era of Voldemort as he did) as opposed to intending to practice.
Why has Book Six not been published yet, I ask you? *gnashes teeth*
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Date: December 6th, 2004 06:21 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: December 6th, 2004 06:32 pm (UTC)But how would Dumbledore have had any guarantee that Snape would come back to the Order? But then again, what made him change his mind in the first place? Gah! I need those last two books noooooooow.
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Date: December 6th, 2004 09:47 pm (UTC)no subject
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